Seriously, this is bad for a large number of people. Torrents were already kinda dead, but this might slay them. Torrents are dead? How so? Bittorrent is probably the best way to share files right now and will be be for years.
I use torrents on a regular basis, downloading everything save movies and music available in the United States with it. Never gotten caught, never used protection until very recently protection being in the form of Peerblock. I2P is a "darknet" that supports Torrents very well. There are 2 good trackers with lots of uploads per day.
Anomos is an option too but the tracker traffic is still "in the open" from what I know and there does not seem any good tracker around. So tor could use this to identify it, its much better then using port 80, alot of trackers run on port 80 too so you cant use the port method to seperate trackers from websites.
If the tracker communication is SSL you cant see the request, but then the exit node cant read it either so no attack. Everyone using BT over TOR should be using a firewall to make sure their torrent app can only communicate with tor. Instead of separating ports by 80 and! Obviously this doesn't help with the everything on port 80, but basically fixes the rest. I don't understand: I have no idea what Tor is, but run uTorrent with Forced Protocol Encryption, Disallow legacy connections, and a software program called PeerGuardian.
Am I safe? Safe from what? The encryption on bittorent is good if your ISP is throttling bittorrent traffic. It hides your use of bittorrent from them Your ip address is still shared with the tracker and other users. PeerGuardian blocks known lowlife ip addresses from connecting to you.
What do you need to be "safe" from anyway? It's a major reason for having an internet connection in the first place. Well, i ain't very sure about the headline!!!
I think that it could be cool to have a new bit-torrent application made to work with TOR!!! You could even call it "TORrent"!!! It's very easy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think that something of missing in Tor is a robust publishing system to share documents, in a way to resist to the shut-down of a single server!!!! At this time, i don't think a P2P system internal to TOR to be very useful, but in the future it'll be very necessary!!!!!!
So, you'd better to think about making one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can have some "hidden services" those addresses ending with ". All TORrent clients should be enabled as internal tor nodes, for the whole TOR network to share the global network load too!!!
Yeah, i think this could actually work!!!!! So, you can send your. You can then connect to the. In this way, you can avoid to have a congestion in the network!!! I've got this idea, after reading this blog entry and another one on torrentfreak i read yesterday!!!! You should read this article too!!! It is great because politicians understand child pornography. By playing that card , we can get them to act , and start blocking sites. And once they have done that , we can get them to start blocking file sharing sites.
It isn't a fault of american people; but america's extremist capitalism and imperialism are evil, and they must be fought!!! This is why i think that Tor, as it's a system made to be used against censorship and for political reasons, is perfect to be extended to be ready to be used as an alternative to the current centralized bit-torrent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I find it odd that thing called bee didn't spam it's silly little program like it always does while claiming Tor-Browser Bundle is insecure. Maybe the thing called bee has learned part of it's lesson? Ever thought about bee wanting to disguise himself by using exclamation and a certain style of writing. Start thinking, stop complaining! Yea and that's a really stupid and annoying to do it. I do think that bee lovers are actually bee posting without exclamation point ;-.
I think that's a very good post, bee. You make a lot of points that I agree with. I've been thinking for a while now that, you know, Tor and BitTorrent could almost be made for each over if they weren't so quick to dismiss each other more so Tor because it rapes their exits. Tor needs many more relays. A BitTORrent system could easily provide that as it would offer an incentive to everyday users to want to engage in the Tor network. I certainly would, if it was done right. One comment from a Chinese Tor user in a recent blog post here said it quite well to me.
To paraphrase it went something like: "How come they [GFW] can stop Tor, but file-sharing works fine? The total is certainly in the many millions out there. But what has Tor? Less than nodes at the moment? BitTorrent shouldn't be dismissed so quickly if one's real aim is to create a network of strength, resilient to attacks from the controlling interests of a few.
But, about here is where things start to get political, I guess. This is where you're going to get a split in people's reaction to such an idea. It's highly likely that both government and business are NOT going to enjoy the thought of such a thing existing as it would threaten their interests control, money, power, etc. This could include Tor's masters, too who pays the bills? We've said for years to not use bittorrent over tor because it will screw the user in some way. Now we have an example of at least one of those ways.
This is secondary to the problem of any bulk file transfers over tor that cause pain for everyone in the network. We're addressing this problem with recent patches to the -alpha branch given to us by researchers at the University of Waterloo in Canada. This patch went in with 0. The goal here is to better weight circuits so busy ones aka bulk file transfers aren't dominating less busy circuits.
As for your conspiracy theory about Tor's masters. Tor's masters are the developers. We control the future of Tor. If someone wants to see certain features in Tor, they are welcome to discuss it with us. However, everything we do is released into the open, with source code, commit trails, and specifications. There are other networks willing to take your bulk file transfer traffic, such as bitblinder, i2p, freenet, gnunet, etc.
We haven't studied them in detail so we cannot make statements on their anonymity, safety, and functionality. However, they exist. I know BitTorrent isn't anonymous. I know the technology, and I also know that those things the research here highlight are trivial fixes to overcome.
Even now with the proper configuration of an appropriate client can these issues be overcome. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them personally. Your problem of users using BitTorrent over Tor is not going to go away short of you devising some technical cludge to try to strap it down, and to me that doesn't sound like the kind of freedom of information access network I had envisaged for the Tor network.
You are, in effect, trying to stifle some aspect of users using the network to freely access and exchange information. The pain is that all this data is being pushed across the bridges, relays and, especially, exits, isn't it?
Well if all those relays were 'BitTORrent' clients and nothing went into bridges or out the exits, then you'd have a great many more relays availiable for all Tor users, and considerably reduced load through bridges and exits.
By the way I contribute relays myself. I'm quite aware that file-sharing over Tor is a problem. I totally support the idea of Tor, and appreciate the work that has gone into it. I will still criticise it though. My bulk traffic? Like I said, I think you're quick to dismiss the possibilities here.
But maybe I'm wrong in that, in that you really have given it all a lot of thought and arrived at the conclusion that it wouldn't work for reasons xyz. I don't know that, though I'd be interested to hear why you think it wouldn't, or isn't a good idea. You should know you're vulnerable right now. I see no reason they couldn't choose to mop it all up at any time if they wanted to. Personally I'd like to see them try that with 10,, relays. There are many options around that happily handle BT and happen to have applications built around the protocol , namely I2P2, why not suggest everyone use that instead of focking with Tor and reducing the experience for the rest of us?
Are you incapable of reading the post I wrote? Why are you attempting to infer that I use Tor as it is now for BitTorrenting? Did you miss the part where I mentioned I run relays and am aware of the problem of BitTorrent or heavy usage type in general? I'm not suggesting I have all the answers What I am saying is that users will and do use Tor for bulk data exchange, and may possibly continue to do so in ever increasing numbers as a method of anonymising to a sufficient degree their file-sharing activities.
Now you can try to fight that with clever technology in the binaries if you want, though I'm sceptical as to how effective that might be, and also where it may lead as Tor wanders off down the path to denying this, that, and the other, as it tries to fix its little problem.
Why not have all the exits block the heavy sites you don't want people accessing, too? I think a problem with Tor is that there are not that many people willing to run systems for the purposes you mention. The Tor network has proven easy to block. It is probably also very easy for them to monitor who exactly is using it if not what for. It seems to me that what's needed is a great deal more systems involved in the network.
But what creates an incentive for people to want to do that? You talk of a problem here with people using the Tor network to file share, and hope for technological solutions to cure those ills, but I don't see any entertainment of the idea of creating a network that could satisfy those demands and potentially cure the whole problem of users file-sharing across the network, and create many more intermediate relays, and prevent easy blocking.
Web browsing comparred to bulk data sharing is like a flea biting an elephant. The resources availiable could be huge for the purposes of providing a system for anonymous access to the Internet. Any user could fire up 'TOR' whether as a dumb client or active 'file-sharing' relay , connect to any of a huge number of other similar relays, bounce through 3, and pop out an exit to the net.
No government could block it if it was that popular. People would be happy to participate in the network if it satisfied their interests. Exits could enjoy far less loads placed upon them due to an internalised sharing system. Bridges may be entirely unnecessary. Look how popular this blog post is. File-sharing is massively popular. Look at the size of those networks comparred to Tor. And the ambitions are not too disimilar either, I don't think.
Both attempt to break down attempts to control access to, and the dissemination of, information through a system of decentralisation. Now times are changing a bit, new threats are emerging, and as a consequence popular file-sharing networks are being driven to look towards systems of anonymisation. One obvious way to achieve that is through proxying networks like Tor where data is relayed in and out of every participant leaving no indication as to what the data is and where it came from.
The plausible deniability alone in acting within such a network could be enough to leave no indication to an outside observer as to whether a person is even engaged in such a thing as a 'Tor' network as the relays involved would no longer consist of a rather convenient handful of publically listed IP addresses. Users wanting to use a network like this to help prevent against "physical violence or imprisonment" would have a great deal more chance of avoiding so than to use the Tor network as it is now, assuming they're even able to if it hasn't already been blocked.
I think it's foolish to dismiss the potential. Maybe you're scared of what's necessarily required to create what you feel you want to create, because you know it could bring degrees of heat your cute politically correct ideologies might have trouble trying to defend when stood up to authority.
A system that could really break systems, not pander to special interests. Freedom to publish. Freedom to access. Freedom to remain anonymous. Censorship resistant.
A popularised, ubiquitous, system that cannot easily be controlled. But hey, it's just an idea. Best of luck with your ambition of changing the way people use the Tor network. I think that the application transfer protocol doesn't make any difference!!!!! Indeed, if you look into it, you'll find out that BitTorrent will improve the performance of the Tor network!!!!!
If you download a file from one normal "hidden website", the max download speed you'll have is going to be the upload speed of that hidden service!!! With bittorrent, you'll share your upload bandwidth too!!! And, guess what BitTorrent is able to do?!!!!!! That's another suspicious hint. It really doesn't matter if you use a proxy service like Tor or a VPN. All traffic still needs to go through your ISP at some point. As far as my knowledge goes, there really isn't a good way to hide from your ISP.
I would go with what Deltik was saying and make sure it is not a virus. If it really is your ISP I would look up their policy and see if they are allowed to monitor your traffic, or see if there is an ISP that respects privacy a bit more.
If you aren't doing anything illegal, you could also try emailing them back and telling them you are not doing anything illegal, it's inappropriate to see torrent usage and assume piracy. Lots of small businesses use torrents to minimize the cost of hosting files. Lots of open-source initiatives push you to use torrents to download their stuff. My Internet Service Provider has been monitoring my traffic and have recorded me downloading several torrents that they have marked as illegal.
Since you are apparently using BitTorrent to download and upload stuff with the copyright holder's permission, it's unlikely that they actually marked these torrents as illegal. Instead, they can probably see that your incoming and outgoing traffic uses the BitTorrent protocol, and based on that fact only they claim you have been downloading illegal content 1.
You should look into your ISP's terms of use: are you allowed to use the BitTorrent protocol on their network? Instead, it is one's actions that would illegal distributing copyrighted content without explicit consent from the copyright holders. I don't know of any BitTorrent clients that can stream their data over the Tor network, so by default it will not work.
Also, BitTorrent over Tor isn't a good idea. To be clear: there is no relationship between Tor and BitTorrent, despite the similarity in their names. The goal is to prevent internet service providers and other network administrators from blocking or disrupting bittorrent traffic connections that span between the receiver of a tracker response and any peer IP-port appearing in that tracker response.
However, this is not fool proof: it does not make you anonymous, it will not hide your IP or the torrents you are downloading from everyone. As far as I know, your ISP doesn't care or doesn't have the resources to monitor all of your traffic. At least, this is how it works with my ISP. You receive an email that describes who the complainant is, and the consequences of future ongoing complaints.
Maybe because your ISP is your university, they have some way of monitoring everything you download, but I would think they would just block access to the torrent sites in the first place if they didn't want you to engage in file-sharing Funny that a university would be so keen on restricting access to information.
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